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  • This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.
  • Obvious tag out for coffee? This shouldn't be a surprise. Unless all your ancestors died healthy of skiing accidents at 90, chances are you are prone to something - cancer, heart disease, something.
  • Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.


    I have a 30ish coworker who didn't receive coverage for a condition she had since birth, back before Obamacare.  The thing is, her parents had the same family plan coverage since well before she was born, and she was instantly under the day she was born.  Being she was covered by them since her conception (they covered the prenatal stuff too), how is it preexisting?  It wasn't fear mongering.  Making insurance companies cover all illnesses should be law.
  • Everyone living has the pre-existing condition called conception and the chronic existing condition called life.
    We're all going to die of something soon or later. We might have good guesses, but if they're right or not...Things happen.
  • Q: Doctor, what's the difference between a chromosome and a hormone?

    A: You can't hear a chromosome!
  • So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?
  • lack of warmth: Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.

    I have a 30ish coworker who didn't receive coverage for a condition she had since birth, back before Obamacare.  The thing is, her parents had the same family plan coverage since well before she was born, and she was instantly under the day she was born.  Being she was covered by them since her conception (they covered the prenatal stuff too), how is it preexisting?  It wasn't fear mongering.  Making insurance companies cover all illnesses should be law.


    Why? An insurance company's job is to price risk and then normalize it's cost to you over time. Making it illegal to charge what someone's level of risk costs or making accurate assessment of risk impossible by forbidding them from taking certain things into account is just throwing grit into an already breaking down system.

    If you just want to redistribute healthcare, there are much better vehicles for that than private profit seeking financial institutions.
  • TFA starts right out complaining that the proposed law allows healthy people to get discounts on insurance.  Wow! First thing you know, safe drivers will be wanting discounts on car insurance.
    If you are sick and you want "insurance", be honest enough to admit that what you really want is charity. Charity is fine; I approve.  It's dishonesty that spoils it.
  • What exactly is a "pre-" existing condition? Before existence -- meaning it doesn't exist.
  • Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.


    WTF is wrong with (R)'s that they write shiat like this ^^^ as an attack, as if they think this is a bad thing.  FEAR MONGERING TO PROVIDE HEALTH CARE UNIVERSALLY!!!!  From HILLARY!!!!

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    Whereas I see read that and think about what we could have.

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  • Mouser: So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?


    No, if everyone has a preexisting condition, then insurance never has to pay anyone.
  • It looks like Gattaca was correct. Now we just need our astronauts to wear suits and ties.
  • piperTom: TFA starts right out complaining that the proposed law allows healthy people to get discounts on insurance.  Wow! First thing you know, safe drivers will be wanting discounts on car insurance.
    If you are sick and you want "insurance", be honest enough to admit that what you really want is charity. Charity is fine; I approve.  It's dishonesty that spoils it.


    Okay, but... why exactly are we taking it for granted that healthcare should be a means of consolidating wealth, rather than keeping ourselves, our families, our friends, and everyone else on the planet as healthy and safe as can be reasonably achieved through modern medicine?
  • I've heard, although absolute proof is hard to come by, that everyone dies. This is why the life insurance business disappeared long ago. Why insure anyone knowing you'll lose?
  • Saw this gem gif in a thread yesterday and swiped it.  It applies to every Slate article ever written.
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  • Gyrfalcon: Mouser: So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?

    No, if everyone has a preexisting condition, then insurance never has to pay anyone.


    The thing is, preexisting conditions have to be disclosed at the creation of the policy.  That's why they're "pre-existing" so anyone with a genetic likelyhood to develop let's say Lou Gerhigs disease, then the insurance company will not pay coverage of that.  If you get a genetic screening and they say they won't cover:
    stroke
    heart disease
    heart attack
    bypass surgery
    high cholesterol
    high blood pressure
    low blood pressure
    diabetes
    glaucoma
    gout
    appendicitis
    tonsillitis
    anemia
    lung cancer
    breast cancer
    heart cancer
    leukemia
    prostate cancer
    colon cancer
    allergies
    heart arrhythmia
    migraines
    Vertigo

    Then you still have coverage for a broken arm, for example.  Most anyone with a choice will refuse the coverage above, but they might not if there's only one or two items on the list.  You know, the one or two things that bankrupts people and the main reason everyone feels like they need health insurance or they will wind up homeless.
  • Wouldn't everyone have a pre-existing condition pretty much make pre-existing conditions meaningless? Insurance companies make money off of selling insurance, and they can't gouge literally everyone and expect to stay in business. Am I missing something?
  • Gyrfalcon: Mouser: So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?

    No, if everyone has a preexisting condition, then insurance never has to pay anyone.


    Carry that through to its logical outcome.  If insurance doesn't ever pay, no one buys it.
  • lennavan: Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.

    WTF is wrong with (R)'s that they write shiat like this ^^^ as an attack, as if they think this is a bad thing.  FEAR MONGERING TO PROVIDE HEALTH CARE UNIVERSALLY!!!!  From HILLARY!!!!

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    Whereas I see read that and think about what we could have.

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    WTF is wrong with your reading comprehension?  The fearmongering was from the right.  Jesus, I have to type the knowledge, and then read it for you too.
  • lack of warmth: Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.

    I have a 30ish coworker who didn't receive coverage for a condition she had since birth, back before Obamacare.  The thing is, her parents had the same family plan coverage since well before she was born, and she was instantly under the day she was born.  Being she was covered by them since her conception (they covered the prenatal stuff too), how is it preexisting?  It wasn't fear mongering.  Making insurance companies cover all illnesses should be law.


    And to help pay for it everyone should be required to have coverage.
  • Revek: Gyrfalcon: Mouser: So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?

    No, if everyone has a preexisting condition, then insurance never has to pay anyone.

    Carry that through to its logical outcome.  If insurance doesn't ever pay, no one buys it.


    Until you're required to buy it to access any healthcare. At which point you pay everything out of pocket anyways and they get untouchable profits.
  • Meh. This isn't a bad thing. One step closer to single payer.
  • With a few exceptions, genetic testing isn't really good at disease diagnosis unless you already have symptoms or family history.  Even though sequencing an entire genome is getting cheaper, it still isn't really useful for much.
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