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  • Leishu: you seem to be mightily concerned with controlling and preventing the actions of others.


    The parent's actions are going to dramatically affect the child for the rest of his/her life, and not in a positive way.  If they were only changing their own identity, it's their own business, but they are involving an innocent third party in their stupidity.
  • OgreMagi: Leishu: you seem to be mightily concerned with controlling and preventing the actions of others.

    The parent's actions are going to dramatically affect the child for the rest of his/her life, and not in a positive way.  If they were only changing their own identity, it's their own business, but they are involving an innocent third party in their stupidity.


    Except they aren't permanently assigning the child as genderless. Did you RTFA? They are allowing the child to self-assign, which is actually a good thing, by any measure, unless you're a bigot.
  • Sure, the baby doesn't have a gender yet. But it probably has a sex, so list it.

    Parents who use their kids to whore for attention suck.
  • What if the child chooses to not be a social experiment?

    Will its wishes be honored?
  • Leishu: Why are so many people in this thread so offended by the concept of not assigning a gender to a child until that child has formed a personal concept of gender and settled upon one? What harm does it do to all of you, really?

    For being the people so intent on calling others "snowflakes," you seem to be mightily concerned with controlling and preventing the actions of others. Maybe y'all need a safe place?


    It's because dicks and vaginas are the best and most important indicators of what will be relevant to a child, long term, in the shortest possible order, which we all instinctively know thanks to several million years of evolution, so trying to monkey with that on a purely superficial linguistic/political level is somewhat akin to riding shotgun in a rush hour transit bus, grabbing the wheel from the driver and insisting you know a better way for the 189 Local to make all its stops and get everyone to work on time, when we've all planned for the usual route.

    It's rude, and not a little bit crazy.
  • willfullyobscure: It's because dicks and vaginas are the best and most important indicators of what will be relevant to a child, long term, in the shortest possible order, which we all instinctively know thanks to several million years of evolution, so trying to monkey with that on a purely superficial linguistic/political level is somewhat akin to riding shotgun in a rush hour transit bus, grabbing the wheel from the driver and insisting you know a better way for the 189 Local to make all its stops and get everyone to work on time, when we've all planned for the usual route.

    It's rude, and not a little bit crazy.


    If you aren't joking, that's the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.
  • willfullyobscure: Leishu: Why are so many people in this thread so offended by the concept of not assigning a gender to a child until that child has formed a personal concept of gender and settled upon one? What harm does it do to all of you, really?

    For being the people so intent on calling others "snowflakes," you seem to be mightily concerned with controlling and preventing the actions of others. Maybe y'all need a safe place?

    It's because dicks and vaginas are the best and most important indicators of what will be relevant to a child, long term, in the shortest possible order, which we all instinctively know thanks to several million years of evolution, so trying to monkey with that on a purely superficial linguistic/political level is somewhat akin to riding shotgun in a rush hour transit bus, grabbing the wheel from the driver and insisting you know a better way for the 189 Local to make all its stops and get everyone to work on time, when we've all planned for the usual route.

    It's rude, and not a little bit crazy.


    What does the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing, Pipefitting and Sprinkler Fitting Industry of the United States and Canada have to do with this?
  • Leishu: OgreMagi: Leishu: you seem to be mightily concerned with controlling and preventing the actions of others.

    The parent's actions are going to dramatically affect the child for the rest of his/her life, and not in a positive way.  If they were only changing their own identity, it's their own business, but they are involving an innocent third party in their stupidity.

    Except they aren't permanently assigning the child as genderless. Did you RTFA? They are allowing the child to self-assign, which is actually a good thing, by any measure, unless you're a bigot.


    I bet you use the made up word "cisnormative" in regular conversation.
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  • The kid can re-assign their own gender should the need arise.
  • Leishu: OgreMagi: Leishu: you seem to be mightily concerned with controlling and preventing the actions of others.

    The parent's actions are going to dramatically affect the child for the rest of his/her life, and not in a positive way.  If they were only changing their own identity, it's their own business, but they are involving an innocent third party in their stupidity.

    Except they aren't permanently assigning the child as genderless. Did you RTFA? They are allowing the child to self-assign, which is actually a good thing, by any measure, unless you're a bigot.


    Funny, said parents didn't have a problem acting out in a manner one would expect a male and female to act... Yet despite "adhering" to the norms "society placed on them from birth" they some how seem to be forwards thinkers and assigning a "non-designation" to their child..... Children are not, nor should not be political props.. At such time a child is in a position to choose, so be it, they have that right...
  • This kid is going to have a grand old time when it goes to get a driver's license, or needs to find a doctor, or any of the myriad things that we take for granted because we were identified as a gender at birth. Now, like others have said, if there is a medical reason for it, I guess I can grasp it, but even that would make the child's life a nightmare as they traverse school and have to deal with the inevitable teasing from other kids (just as a start).

    That poor kid.
  • Leishu: Why are so many people in this thread so offended by the concept of not assigning a gender to a child until that child has formed a personal concept of gender and settled upon one? What harm does it do to all of you, really?

    For being the people so intent on calling others "snowflakes," you seem to be mightily concerned with controlling and preventing the actions of others. Maybe y'all need a safe place?


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  • rebelyell2006: United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing, Pipefitting and Sprinkler Fitting Industry


    did you think I picked that name for a local bus route as an accident for this thread?
  • For the one billionth time, sex and gender are not the same thing.  Jesus.  Buy a dictionary.
  • Male and female fetuses differ in testosterone concentrations beginning as early as week 8 of gestation. This early hormone difference exerts permanent influences on brain development and behavior. Contemporary research shows that hormones are particularly important for the development of sex-typical childhood behavior, including toy choices, which until recently were thought to result solely from sociocultural influences. Prenatal testosterone exposure also appears to influence sexual orientation and gender identity, as well as some, but not all, sex-related cognitive, motor and personality characteristics. Neural mechanisms responsible for these hormone-induced behavioral outcomes are beginning to be identified, and current evidence suggests involvement of the hypothalamus and amygdala, as well as interhemispheric connectivity, and cortical areas involved in visual processing.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that the parents in this case are going to be disappointed if the child grows up to have completely typical behavior for a boy or a girl.
  • holdmybones: The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters......

    I need a drink.


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  • scubatuck: Leishu: Why are so many people in this thread so offended by the concept of not assigning a gender to a child until that child has formed a personal concept of gender and settled upon one? What harm does it do to all of you, really?

    For being the people so intent on calling others "snowflakes," you seem to be mightily concerned with controlling and preventing the actions of others. Maybe y'all need a safe place?

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    People like the parent and lawyer in this story and their supporters = Loki
    Reality = Hulk

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  • willfullyobscure: rebelyell2006: United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing, Pipefitting and Sprinkler Fitting Industry

    did you think I picked that name for a local bus route as an accident for this thread?


    So, we can establish that your fetish either involves sprinklers, or golden showers?

    Do you like to garbanzo bean?
  • holdmybones: The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters......

    I need a drink.


    i don't know if you guys have noticed, but i farking hate hitting shift, too
    so it works for me and weezer

    Ow! That was my feelings!: What if the child chooses to not be a social experiment?

    Will its wishes be honored?


    i don't want my kid watchin disney but at some point that shiat is going to happen
    it reminds me of the people who raise their kids vegetarian
    or force their daughters to wear the hijab
    it's not always going to go like you want. millions of atheists were raised by christians.
  • TOSViolation: scubatuck: Leishu: Why are so many people in this thread so offended by the concept of not assigning a gender to a child until that child has formed a personal concept of gender and settled upon one? What harm does it do to all of you, really?

    For being the people so intent on calling others "snowflakes," you seem to be mightily concerned with controlling and preventing the actions of others. Maybe y'all need a safe place?

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    People like the parent and lawyer in this story and their supporters = Loki
    Reality = Hulk

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    Despite the parents best efforts, society will assign the child a sex in short order.
  • lindseyp: "The health card has been issued with a "U" in the space for "sex", which could be for "undetermined" or "unassigned".


    Quite honestly, among all the possible options being discussed, this may be the least objectionable.  Leaves no room for creativity.
  • jpo2269:  At such time a child is in a position to choose, so be it, they have that right...


    Giving the child that right is what the parents are doing. Or did you miss that point of TFA? Their goal is to not assign the child a gender until the child selects one. That is all. The only reason why this is an issue is because the Hospital will do this on the Health Card (which has already happened for children around the world) but not the Birth Certificate (which I guess hasn't happened yet? I know Oregon allows for "Other" gender documentation, but I am not sure if it can be assigned at birth. Quite curious).

    Most children have  a concept of gender, in their development, by the time they are toddlers. This would be a pretty fast process and would come to fruition well before this child enters preschool-age. In the vast majority of cases, that tag matches the what would normally be assigned at birth, however if it doesn't match, there is usually a significant fight getting it changed, which considering that one of the parents is trans, is probably why there is so much of a fight here. They want to essentially hold off on assigning any gender on the documents until the child signals a gender, and then place the gender on the documents at that time, allowing the child to self-select, and live life according to his/her/their own terms.
  • Leishu: willfullyobscure: It's because dicks and vaginas are the best and most important indicators of what will be relevant to a child, long term, in the shortest possible order, which we all instinctively know thanks to several million years of evolution, so trying to monkey with that on a purely superficial linguistic/political level is somewhat akin to riding shotgun in a rush hour transit bus, grabbing the wheel from the driver and insisting you know a better way for the 189 Local to make all its stops and get everyone to work on time, when we've all planned for the usual route.

    It's rude, and not a little bit crazy.

    If you aren't joking, that's the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.


    You're as nutty as the person in the article.
    "When I was born, doctors looked at my genitals and made assumptions about who I would be, and those assignments followed me and followed my identification throughout my life," Kori Doty said

    Honey, you gestated a baby in your uterus then delivered it through your vagina. You're a female.  Trendy pronoun abuse doesn't overcome biology.
  • The future is going to get weirder than sci-fi ever dabbled in.
  • Repo Man: I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that the parents in this case are going to be disappointed if the child grows up to have completely typical behavior for a boy or a girl.


    which is what exactly
    i mean really
    i've come across some profoundly stupid shiat as far as gender roles for kids
    not that long ago, it would have been radical for my wife to have the job she does or dress the way she likes
    most male farkers would get their asses kicked by ronda rousey
    calling some activity "typically male" that doesn't involve a cock in some way is just dumb as hell
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