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  • FTFA

    "Those policies include conduct unbecoming by a police employee, courtesy in public contacts, policy regarding arrests, misdemeanor citations, situations requiring a report, law enforcement code of ethics and city policy regarding standards of conduct for employees "

    Really. You illegally detain someone and THAT'S what you complain about?
  • And so why haven't the 2 officers been fired?
  • Your being arrest for "obstructing justice"

    ... but what you are requesting is not justice, its actually illegal.  A police officer demanding I do something illegal does not make the act un-illegal.
  • twistedknickers: And so why haven't the 2 officers been fired?


    TFA: "Biskupski said that Wednesday's announcement won't be the final step in the process. Both officers have 20 days to respond to the allegations, she said."
  • ya know, if I walked into work one day and just ignored 5 or 6 major policies and procedures in place, I'd be out on my ass inside of oh...3 days or so.  But I guess even with massive amounts of evidence AND video footage AND the cop himself admitting to his improper actions they STILL can't fire a cop right away.

    so again:

    Me: no gun, computer programmer, average looking middle class white guy.  time to get fired: 3 days.
    cop: legally carries a gun AND is permitted to use it more or less at will.  violated multiple dept policies and may have broken a couple laws.  time to get fired: 30 days and counting.
  • Those who enforce the rules determine what is a rule or not.

    Although I prefer Stalin's take on this:
    The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
  • After the 20-day period, the findings of the investigations will be turned over to Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown, who will round file them.
  • Weaver95: ya know, if I walked into work one day and just ignored 5 or 6 major policies and procedures in place, I'd be out on my ass inside of oh...3 days or so.  But I guess even with massive amounts of evidence AND video footage AND the cop himself admitting to his improper actions they STILL can't fire a cop right away.

    so again:

    Me: no gun, computer programmer, average looking middle class white guy.  time to get fired: 3 days.
    cop: legally carries a gun AND is permitted to use it more or less at will.  violated multiple dept policies and may have broken a couple laws.  time to get fired: 30 days and counting.


    You: no union.
    Police: union.
  • "Salt Lake City police officers are some of the best law enforcement officers in the country."

    So they're average is what you're saying.
  • twistedknickers: And so why haven't the 2 officers been fired?


    Because Mayor's aren't Burgermeisters. They can't just fire cops like it's an episode of Starsky and Hutch.

    The cops should be fired (and charged, frankly) but they are still entitled to the same due process that they tried to deny for that Nurse.
  • Let's remember the threat to harass that hospital by directing all the transients to them. That one goes well beyond these silly points about being courteous. It's like they are tossing up some strawmen to diffuse the rage.
  • Welp, the police state tested that line, and the line to not cross is roughing up other public service workers.
  • So that's one full week of paid vacation per violation before going back to work as if nothing happened?

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    Being a cop must be a great job.  The more you screw up the more you're rewarded.
  • wademh: Let's remember the threat to harass that hospital by directing all the transients to them. That one goes well beyond these silly points about being courteous. It's like they are tossing up some strawmen to diffuse the rage.


    That got him fired from the EMS job where he could make good on that threat. It didn't have much to do with his job at the PD, which he should also be fired from for illegally detaining the nurse and being a douchebag in general.
  • mcmnky: You: no union.
    Police: union


    me: state worker.  Yes, I have a union.  No, they will not protect me if I clearly violate procedure.  I've seen state workers get fired inside of 72 hours for violating security procedures and guide lines.  do NOT dick with those rules, they WILL fire us if we do.  sexual harassment and/or religious discrimination are also two other things that result in more or less instant firings.
  • Boo_Guy: After the 20-day period, the findings of the investigations will be turned over to Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown, who will round file them.


    Hopefully.
  • twistedknickers: And so why haven't the 2 officers been fired?


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  • Should be charged for misspelling his superior's name in the report he filed too.
  • anustart: twistedknickers: And so why haven't the 2 officers been fired?

    Because Mayor's aren't Burgermeisters. They can't just fire cops like it's an episode of Starsky and Hutch.

    The cops should be fired (and charged, frankly) but they are still entitled to the same due process that they tried to deny for that Nurse.


    I have gone my entire 55 years, 9 of which were in Germany, believing that the word "burgermeister" translated directly to English as "mayor". So if mayors aren't burgermeisters (and inversely, burgermeisters aren't mayors) then what are burgermeisters?

    /Wow - That reads snider than I intended. Serious question.
  • Dodger: anustart: twistedknickers: And so why haven't the 2 officers been fired?

    Because Mayor's aren't Burgermeisters. They can't just fire cops like it's an episode of Starsky and Hutch.

    The cops should be fired (and charged, frankly) but they are still entitled to the same due process that they tried to deny for that Nurse.

    I have gone my entire 55 years, 9 of which were in Germany, believing that the word "burgermeister" translated directly to English as "mayor". So if mayors aren't burgermeisters (and inversely, burgermeisters aren't mayors) then what are burgermeisters?

    /Wow - That reads snider than I intended. Serious question.


    Chair of city council more or less. Actual unitary executive mayors in the US would typically have more power.
  • Dodger: anustart: twistedknickers: And so why haven't the 2 officers been fired?

    Because Mayor's aren't Burgermeisters. They can't just fire cops like it's an episode of Starsky and Hutch.

    The cops should be fired (and charged, frankly) but they are still entitled to the same due process that they tried to deny for that Nurse.

    I have gone my entire 55 years, 9 of which were in Germany, believing that the word "burgermeister" translated directly to English as "mayor". So if mayors aren't burgermeisters (and inversely, burgermeisters aren't mayors) then what are burgermeisters?

    /Wow - That reads snider than I intended. Serious question.


    They're like half mayor, half old west lawman.

    Thank you Sierra and QFG 4.
  • FTFA, "We have said all along that we believe that to regain public trust, that the police department needs to police itself."

    It's too farking late for that.  Police departments across the country have made it crystal clear that they can not be trusted to police themselves.
  • Dodger: anustart: twistedknickers: And so why haven't the 2 officers been fired?

    Because Mayor's aren't Burgermeisters. They can't just fire cops like it's an episode of Starsky and Hutch.

    The cops should be fired (and charged, frankly) but they are still entitled to the same due process that they tried to deny for that Nurse.

    I have gone my entire 55 years, 9 of which were in Germany, believing that the word "burgermeister" translated directly to English as "mayor". So if mayors aren't burgermeisters (and inversely, burgermeisters aren't mayors) then what are burgermeisters?

    /Wow - That reads snider than I intended. Serious question.


    Literally, "master of the citizens".
  • anustart: twistedknickers: And so why haven't the 2 officers been fired?

    Because Mayor's aren't Burgermeisters. They can't just fire cops like it's an episode of Starsky and Hutch.

    The cops should be fired (and charged, frankly) but they are still entitled to the same due process that they tried to deny for that Nurse.


    Just because theyre unionized.

    Cool story bro time.

    I was a cop for 10 years. We had a dumb as hell Chief of Police who ran the dept like the good ole boys club. Finally city council got sick of it and fired him on the spot since we werent unionized. He walked out of the city hall meeting room and filed paperwork to run for mayor, which he then won. He then ran the police dept from city hall.

    Small town politics are the worst.
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