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  • What good about that headline is "American", "racism", and "baseball" can be put in any order and still work.
  • Calling racism an American thing is pretty parochial itself. The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

    Call racism the eighth deadly sin, and at least as destructive as the other seven, vanity and covetousness especially. Condemn it when you see it. Just don't kid yourself that you'll ever see the back of it---or that you're immune to its temptations.
  • MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.


    Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

    Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.
  • Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

    Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

    Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.


    Human beings are tribal by nature, but the definition of how to identify who is part of your tribe and who is not has to be taught. Race is not itself an inherent genetically programmed identifier, while those close to you and people who you interact with every day are. Racists know this, which is why they get so upset at seeing different races interact in a positive way on TV shows and in movies. This normalizes things for their kids in direct opposition to what the parents are trying to teach them.

    One of the greatest things that our government did to help the racism issue for Generation X was to fund the CPB, which produced many PBS shows such as Sesame Street. Our parents didn't watch it much, but they thought it must be educational. It was, but in far more ways than they could have known. Seeing black and white adults living on the same street and getting along and having nothing but positive interactions, seeing black and white kids in the same skit interacting like normal kids - these things helped normalize getting along. Advertisers starting picking up on this - remember the Sunny D commercial from the 80's with a bunch of thirsty kids of various races in a clean, upper-middle class suburban home opening the fridge together? Things like this helped de-program a lot of people subconsciously. Now it's the norm.

    Most racists nowadays had shiatty childhoods and didn't get to watch Sesame Street or The Electric Company or Saturday morning cartoons with racial integration and commercials featuring kids of all races playing together with whatever toys you were supposed to beg your parents for.

    So yes, racism has to be programmed, but it can be de-programmed.
  • I think it's true that it's in our nature to fear, and therefore be biased against, the 'other'. Thousands of years of evolution saw to that.

    However I also think how that aspect of our nature is channeled is up for grabs. We don't have to be racist, we choose to be, at least those of us who are choose to be. That's where environment comes in, and explains why some people just aren't as xenophobic as others. It also explains why you might not be racist, but instead might be sexist, or homophobic, or intolerant of other religions. The way you grew up and the environment around you has determined how you channel it. With some self awareness and a willingness to work on it, I believe everyone can change how they channel it. Some people simply don't want to change it.
  • I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...
  • "Please don't be about Boston,please don't be about Boston....fark."
  • fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


    I noticed it was placed over an ad for Foxwoods Casino, owned by Mashantuckett Pequod Tribal Nations.  So yeah, racism is pretty much as American as baseball, but with even a longer history.
  • MikeyFuccon: Calling racism an American thing is pretty parochial itself. The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

    Call racism the eighth deadly sin, and at least as destructive as the other seven, vanity and covetousness especially. Condemn it when you see it. Just don't kid yourself that you'll ever see the back of it---or that you're immune to its temptations.


    People are tribalistic by nature, absolutely. That's a general emergent property of who we are though. Racism is a specific concept which needs to be taught and passed along to the next generation when they're old enough to understand it.
  • Most people reading the article are trying to figure out if they should blame someone for something.  Is Boston racist?  Is baseball racist?  The answer to claims of racism is always "Yes".  Always say that everyone is racist.  Everyone is racist, because of racism.  You know it, you racist.
  • Thanks Obama!

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    //what a beautiful image
  • Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.
  • I'd wager this was a cute little stunt performed by some millennials. Anyone care to bet against that?
  • Well, its kinda true.

    The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

    Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

    The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.
  • parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.


    MMhm.

    OK.

    So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

    What?

    Continue working on making it less racist?

    Stop working on it because it's good enough?


    What exactly is your point?
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    "Boston is old fashioned, which is code for racist"
  • The banner wasn't black, it was African American you racist rednecks!

    /Am I doing it right?
  • Harry_Seldon: Thanks Obama!

    [ionenewpittsburghcourier.files.wordpress.com image 680x454]

    //what a beautiful image


    One of my favorites on this subject was this one:

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    And yes, for those who don't know, the woman Obama is talking to is Ruby Bridges, the little girl from the painting.
  • To quibble a bit, racism was definitely not invented here.
  • HedlessChickn: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

    MMhm.

    OK.

    So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

    What?

    Continue working on making it less racist?

    Stop working on it because it's good enough?


    What exactly is your point?


    I would suggest that we focus on ourselves as Americans who share the opportunity this country provides, and quit dividing ourselves by our racial genetics. More on the order of MLK's beliefs, you know.
  • parkthebus:  with America being one of the least offenders

    ...not sure if serious.jpg

    Poe slaw?
  • ox45tallboy: Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

    Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

    Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.

    Human beings are tribal by nature, but the definition of how to identify who is part of your tribe and who is not has to be taught. Race is not itself an inherent genetically programmed identifier, while those close to you and people who you interact with every day are. Racists know this, which is why they get so upset at seeing different races interact in a positive way on TV shows and in movies. This normalizes things for their kids in direct opposition to what the parents are trying to teach them.

    One of the greatest things that our government did to help the racism issue for Generation X was to fund the CPB, which produced many PBS shows such as Sesame Street. Our parents didn't watch it much, but they thought it must be educational. It was, but in far more ways than they could have known. Seeing black and white adults living on the same street and getting along and having nothing but positive interactions, seeing black and white kids in the same skit interacting like normal kids - these things helped normalize getting along. Advertisers starting picking up on this - remember the Sunny D commercial from the 80's with a bunch of thirsty kids of various races in a clean, upper-middle class suburban home opening the fridge together? Things like this helped de-program a lot of people subconsciously. Now it's the norm.

    Most racists nowadays had shiatty childhoods and didn't get to watch Sesame Street or The Electric Company or Saturday morning cartoons with racial integration and commercials featuring kids of all races playing together with whatever toys you were supposed to beg your parents for.

    So yes, racism has to be programmed, but it can be de-programmed.


    PBS was free, everyonr had it. Or is that the joke?
  • GrendelMk1: parkthebus:  with America being one of the least offenders

    ...not sure if serious.jpg

    Poe slaw?

    The more you know.jpg


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  • Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

    The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

    Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

    The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.


    Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.
  • parkthebus: I would suggest that we focus on ourselves as Americans who share the opportunity this country provides, and quit dividing ourselves by our racial genetics. More on the order of MLK's beliefs, you know.


    I am very much in general agreement with you, but this past election has forced racism to the forefront of the country yet again.

    Something needs to be done about it. The country as a whole keeps throwing it on the back burner where it just stews and stews.
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