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  • One more step towards the withdrawal of the USA from NAFTA unless Trump gets his way.
  • Good on you, Canada, but do something about your tar sands, eh?
    /we're in a glass house here but just sayin
  • I'm afraid we have to do what Canada says so they won't burn my city down again.
  • I saw a post about Trump "ending the war on coal" by a WV congress rep today.  The number of his (apparent) constituents torching the guy for lack of awareness of market realities, mercury pollution, and yes, climate change made me feel good.  There are a lot of families in WV, KY, OH, and PA especially who've traditionally made their way on coal, but even the people of WV may be waking up to the reality that the old way isn't merely the Buggy Whip industry of today, but the leaded consumer products industry of today.
  • The war on coal is exactly like the war on the telegraph and the war on the buggy whip.  And it will end the same way.
  • The right wing radio idiots were talking about this and mentioning that Trump bragged about a few new coal mining companies opening in PA this year.  They said that proves there's a market for coal.  These people do not understand supply and demand, they don't care how much federal money we waste on subsidies for coal (or that it's the federal government "picking winners and losers" which they hate), they only care about stigginit and they know that liberals "hate" coal.
  • nekom: Good on you, Canada, but do something about your tar sands, eh?
    /we're in a glass house here but just sayin


    Not much we can do.  Harper, in his infinite bloody-minded anti-wisdom, basically sold our oil sands to the Chinese in 2012 -- a move he later (and not much later) expressed regret over, most likely because of the massive blowback he got from the public over the deal.  (It was yet another of Harper's back-room deals so the public didn't really know about it until it was too late.)
  • There will always be a need for coal because, and I could be wrong on this, you need it to make steel.

    But it has no place in power generation anymore. The world has moved on to cheaper, better, safer methods.
  • AdmirableSnackbar: They said that proves there's a market for coal.  These people do not understand supply and demand,


    Brought to you undoubtedly by the same folks who also praise the "Invisible Hand".
  • No prob yo, mo' coal4us amirite?
  • Think how cheap coal will be when we're the only one who still uses it?
  • How else are Russian aircraft carriers supposed to get to where the action is?
  • Coal isn't the answer to middle America's employment problems.  They don't want to dig coal, they want jobs.  Coal is just shorthand for "remember when we had jobs?"  So get some jobs out there.  Set up some tax incentives to move some production out to the rural areas.  That's an actual workable plan that doesn't try to move backwards in time, and it will actually fix things.
  • The irony is that for all of the GOP's shilling for coal, it's the free market that's killing it.
  • We still have coal: out west. It's cheaper to mine coal in Wyoming and ship it 2000 miles via train than to dig it out of West Virginia. Sorry hillbillies, you're going to die in your self made ghettos until you learn to vote for not-stupid.

    It's not hard. You have a 50-50 shot and guessed wrong.
  • Preston Preston: Coal isn't the answer to middle America's employment problems.  They don't want to dig coal, they want jobs.


    Automation has eliminated the bulk of coal mining jobs anyway. Its not hundreds of guys with pickaxes anymore, its 3 or 4 guys with one of these
    img.fark.netView Full Size

    The town coal mine used to mean thousands of good paying jobs.. now it means dozens.
  • factoryconnection: I saw a post about Trump "ending the war on coal" by a WV congress rep today.  The number of his (apparent) constituents torching the guy for lack of awareness of market realities, mercury pollution, and yes, climate change made me feel good.  There are a lot of families in WV, KY, OH, and PA especially who've traditionally made their way on coal, but even the people of WV may be waking up to the reality that the old way isn't merely the Buggy Whip industry of today, but the leaded consumer products industry of today.


    Mooney. I had some choice words to leave on his FB page. feel free to do so yourselves.
  • I figured other countries would overtake the US in a variety of ways eventually because no one can stay on top forever, but I never thought it would be because we simply stopped caring and stopped trying. American exceptionalism my ass.
  • And this, my friends,  is what's called regulatory capture.
  • chewd: Preston Preston: Coal isn't the answer to middle America's employment problems.  They don't want to dig coal, they want jobs.

    Automation has eliminated the bulk of coal mining jobs anyway. Its not hundreds of guys with pickaxes anymore, its 3 or 4 guys with one of these
    [img.fark.net image 850x428]
    The town coal mine used to mean thousands of good paying jobs.. now it means dozens.


    And black lung and mine collapses.
  • chewd: Preston Preston: Coal isn't the answer to middle America's employment problems.  They don't want to dig coal, they want jobs.

    Automation has eliminated the bulk of coal mining jobs anyway. Its not hundreds of guys with pickaxes anymore, its 3 or 4 guys with one of these
    [img.fark.net image 850x428]
    The town coal mine used to mean thousands of good paying jobs.. now it means dozens.


    This. Modern mining jobs are smaller in number and lean more on the skilled side to operate and maintain all the awesome machines.
  • chewd: Preston Preston: Coal isn't the answer to middle America's employment problems.  They don't want to dig coal, they want jobs.

    Automation has eliminated the bulk of coal mining jobs anyway. Its not hundreds of guys with pickaxes anymore, its 3 or 4 guys with one of these
    [img.fark.net image 850x428]
    The town coal mine used to mean thousands of good paying jobs.. now it means dozens.


    God damn that's a machine. Are there good jobs in making those?
  • But....how will we roll coal if there is no coal?
    Expend electrons just doesn't have the same ring.
  • Psychopusher: nekom: Good on you, Canada, but do something about your tar sands, eh?
    /we're in a glass house here but just sayin

    Not much we can do.  Harper, in his infinite bloody-minded anti-wisdom, basically sold our oil sands to the Chinese in 2012 -- a move he later (and not much later) expressed regret over, most likely because of the massive blowback he got from the public over the deal.  (It was yet another of Harper's back-room deals so the public didn't really know about it until it was too late.)


    Let's see some kind of citation or verification of these statements of yours, please.
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